Queen Victoria Posted August 16, 2012 Share Posted August 16, 2012 I don't post a lot here, but i thought I'd put in my two cents. Stuffer31 is all I had when I was younger. It helped me feel out what I was into, and what I would still be into as an adult. I couldn't pay for anything back then, and watching those 30 second previews was pure bliss. I hadn't found any other sites until much later, so it was like watching your favorite TV program and waiting for new installments. Year after year, the previews got shorter and shorter, and my ability to find sites like Curvage and FF became much better because I knew where to look. By the time I had reached adulthood and was willing to pay for a video here and there, I picked stuffer's site first. At first it was great, being able to see past the 10-30 second mark, and actually see the models gain or eat or whatever. Eventually, like most things, that initial excitement came to pass. I was disappointed by the camera quality and the overall "fake ness" of the models. Some of which rarely ever gained, others that seemed bored to even exist, as if updating was a chore, and not to mention the multitude of girls that don't speak English. I find that to be the most flawed part of the site because of the connection that is supposed to be made across a screen. However, it was not all bad. The girls that did gain were pure gems. But after so much sub-par work, and a wrong that was never righted by the customer service department, I decided two things A) Never set up a membership with stuffer, and I would take my business elsewhere except for rare occasions. Every time I see one of stuffers video's lingering out on the web for public consumption, I enjoy a small victory. It isn't the content leak that ruins business, the gaming/movie/music industry get through leaks with finesse, they dust it off their shoulders and keep making money. The reason people portray stuffer in a negative light is because of the way he handles business. Poor quality, feigned enthusiasm, and an overall shoddy business model is what draws money away from one site to another. And that is what also draws negative criticism and an overall negative opinion. Wall of text crits you for 25,000. You die. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mep101 Posted August 25, 2012 Share Posted August 25, 2012 ;D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 25, 2012 Share Posted August 25, 2012 Stuffer 31 is a picture book capitalistic company. Makes me sick since day one. Some evil bastards should hack this site and make all content ever posted viewable for everyone. That would be a victory. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SayHelloToMyLittleFriend Posted August 26, 2012 Share Posted August 26, 2012 Stuffer 31 is a picture book capitalistic company. Makes me sick since day one. Some evil bastards should hack this site and make all content ever posted viewable for everyone. That would be a victory. What is BigCuties? A commune? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 26, 2012 Share Posted August 26, 2012 What is BigCuties? A commune? Another fucked up capitalistic internet company. Where's your point? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SayHelloToMyLittleFriend Posted August 27, 2012 Share Posted August 27, 2012 Another fucked up capitalistic internet company. Where's your point? My point is, how do you ever expect to get porn unless it's under a capitalist model? Send a donation of scrap metal to the Bureau of Porn? I'm genuinely curious to hear your alternative here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 27, 2012 Share Posted August 27, 2012 My point is, how do you ever expect to get porn unless it's under a capitalist model? Send a donation of scrap metal to the Bureau of Porn? I'm genuinely curious to hear your alternative here. I want to say I'm amazed that a debate how porn would be outside of a capitalist model has come up on the net but really I'm not even if this is a joke debate. Porn in my mind can and does exist outside of the capitalist model already. We have individuals who are happy to provide free porn to others in exchange for absolutely no reward (beyond psychological). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SayHelloToMyLittleFriend Posted August 27, 2012 Share Posted August 27, 2012 We have individuals who are happy to provide free porn to others in exchange for absolutely no reward (beyond psychological). Indeed, and most of them provide as much content in a year as a model does in a month and of lower quality, they regularly disappears after only a year or so and if they do stay around longer, then they usually end up joining a paysite anyway. Do you honestly think that the few dozen people who contribute more than a handful of nude pictures in this community every year actually constitute a meaningful proportion of the porn modeling scene? Most women won't model for free, especially for hardcore and fetishes, because guess what? It's pretty fucking degrading. Do you think they put this shit on their Facebook, or their CV? And so I am legitimately asking what solution there is to getting porn models without a) paying them and; charging the viewers, or else perhaps an advertising third-party. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 28, 2012 Share Posted August 28, 2012 I'm genuinely curious to hear your alternative here. http://www.youporn.com/ http://www.pornhub.com/ http://www.xhamsterporno.com/ Shall I go on? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SayHelloToMyLittleFriend Posted August 28, 2012 Share Posted August 28, 2012 Shall I go on? You'll have to. All of those site have a premium section with the usual advantages (better resolution, downloads, view length), at least two thirds of the videos are watermarked to other sites (also with payment plans) and there are both banner ads and watermarked dating/ad sites which pay for hits. To quote myself: "I am legitimately asking what solution there is to getting porn models without a) paying them and; charging the viewers, or else perhaps an advertising third-party." It's the same approach as any paysite except that it gains revenue through divergent means rather than just one subscription model. Free porn will always be the domain of a few dozen girls shooting on phones or laptop cams for a few months, making enough material if we're lucky for some guy on the Chans to put together in a zip file at some point. You're not going to get a girl like Layla posting hundreds of high-res videos for free anytime soon, and that's just the end of it - they get paid, or they don't show up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wilan Posted August 28, 2012 Share Posted August 28, 2012 And why should porn be different from any other product/service for which there is a demand? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest primitive Posted August 29, 2012 Share Posted August 29, 2012 You'll have to. All of those site have a premium section with the usual advantages (better resolution, downloads, view length), at least two thirds of the videos are watermarked to other sites (also with payment plans) and there are both banner ads and watermarked dating/ad sites which pay for hits. To quote myself: "I am legitimately asking what solution there is to getting porn models without a) paying them and; charging the viewers, or else perhaps an advertising third-party." It's the same approach as any paysite except that it gains revenue through divergent means rather than just one subscription model. Free porn will always be the domain of a few dozen girls shooting on phones or laptop cams for a few months, making enough material if we're lucky for some guy on the Chans to put together in a zip file at some point. You're not going to get a girl like Layla posting hundreds of high-res videos for free anytime soon, and that's just the end of it - they get paid, or they don't show up. +1 billion No one likes paying for porn (or anything, really), but it's mind-boggling to expect women to simply provide wank material because you want them to. What is the incentive? The knowledge that some dude with a screen name from a 90's action movie is frantically beating his dick to death at their 30 second clip? I don't think that the FA community is alone in this at all, but people here really need to leave their sense of entitlement at the door and realize that any woman freely posting pics or vids of herself on this site is an outlier. They allowed something very private to be shown to a bunch of anonymous guys without getting anything in return but a bunch of creepy, grammatically impotent messages. So, if a female contributor stops posting, stop whining about how she has somehow "betrayed" the community (cough AmateurArt cough), and just be appreciative of what that person has already allowed to be shown to you. However, that doesn't mean that the guy behind S31 doesn't come off as a total shitbag, simply because the amount you pay is practically extortionate for what you receive. I've bought videos a couple times from that site and have regretted it every time. Seriously, fuck that guy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 29, 2012 Share Posted August 29, 2012 You'll have to. All of those site have a premium section with the usual advantages (better resolution, downloads, view length), at least two thirds of the videos are watermarked to other sites (also with payment plans) and there are both banner ads and watermarked dating/ad sites which pay for hits. To quote myself: "I am legitimately asking what solution there is to getting porn models without a) paying them and; charging the viewers, or else perhaps an advertising third-party." It's the same approach as any paysite except that it gains revenue through divergent means rather than just one subscription model. Free porn will always be the domain of a few dozen girls shooting on phones or laptop cams for a few months, making enough material if we're lucky for some guy on the Chans to put together in a zip file at some point. You're not going to get a girl like Layla posting hundreds of high-res videos for free anytime soon, and that's just the end of it - they get paid, or they don't show up. Okay lad, since you don't get what I was trying to say, I'll tell you something now: Back then when I was a teenager, let's say 17 years old, all of my dudes where regularly whacking off to some skinny blonde bitch getting fucked by a black guy with a disproportional large dick on YouPorn. And they did it for free. Now, I'm not criticizing that, but the guys who don't follow the mainstream of beauty have to pay for every shit they want to see to live out their sexual preferences so don't you fucking tell me that this is fair. All we have is this board. And how many people are we? Some thousands? We're not such a large minority. There are enough dudes on this planet who prefer curvier women. I'm not really talking about the hardcore things like Force Feeding and Stuffing, not everyone's into this, but yet there's still this feeling of having to pay for every bit we want to see. Let's face it. We're the Jews of the internet. And the porn industry is the Third Reich. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wilan Posted August 29, 2012 Share Posted August 29, 2012 Let's face it. We're the Jews of the internet. And the porn industry is the Third Reich. What on earth are you talking about? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pin-up goblin Posted August 29, 2012 Share Posted August 29, 2012 Okay lad, since you don't get what I was trying to say, I'll tell you something now...We're the Jews of the internet. And the porn industry is the Third Reich. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maela Posted August 29, 2012 Share Posted August 29, 2012 I don't think that the FA community is alone in this at all, but people here really need to leave their sense of entitlement at the door and realize that any woman freely posting pics or vids of herself on this site is an outlier. They allowed something very private to be shown to a bunch of anonymous guys without getting anything in return but a bunch of creepy, grammatically impotent messages. So, if a female contributor stops posting, stop whining about how she has somehow "betrayed" the community (cough AmateurArt cough), and just be appreciative of what that person has already allowed to be shown to you. ^^^ This. Thank you for your post, primitive. I post my content on free forums because I like compliments. If I was selling my content, I don't know that I'd get as many. I post because I like seeing myself as sexy, and I like the community's support and validation. I am honestly afraid to sell my content because I don't want to be a porn star. I think that remembering that we "models" are real people, with real lives is important. You are not entitled to anything. Appreciate what we're sharing and don't be a douche bag. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pin-up goblin Posted August 29, 2012 Share Posted August 29, 2012 ^^^ This. Thank you for your post, primitive. I post my content on free forums because I like compliments. If I was selling my content, I don't know that I'd get as many. I post because I like seeing myself as sexy, and I like the community's support and validation. I am honestly afraid to sell my content because I don't want to be a porn star. I think that remembering that we "models" are real people, with real lives is important. You are not entitled to anything. Appreciate what we're sharing and don't be a douche bag. I agree. That's why I did it. It made me feel good about myself and gave me the ability to actually appreciate my body. @Morph: Porn isn't a right that all people must have in order to survive! Comparing yourself to the Jews during the Holocaust is simply ludicrous. You aren't being denied basic survival rights by being asked to spend a little money here and there so that some ladies can make a living being porn stars/models. You come off as this self-entitled brat who got everything handed to him but this one thing and because of this he has to throw a temper tantrum. These are real people here! It seems like you forget that. The girls who do it for free on curvage do it because they want to feel good about themselves and want to feel sexy for the first time in their lives. However, sometimes life gets in the way and we're not able to do it anymore. Because of this, you shouldn't make them feel like shit. Just accept it and move on. Don't ruin the experience that they had! Just find someone else and make that girl feel just as special It takes no effort to be kind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KFD Posted August 31, 2012 Share Posted August 31, 2012 I split this post, it not exactly following OP's topic of S31 recruiting models from here anymore. KFD was here... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 31, 2012 Share Posted August 31, 2012 Indeed, and most of them provide as much content in a year as a model does in a month and of lower quality, they regularly disappears after only a year or so and if they do stay around longer, then they usually end up joining a paysite anyway. Do you honestly think that the few dozen people who contribute more than a handful of nude pictures in this community every year actually constitute a meaningful proportion of the porn modeling scene? Most women won't model for free, especially for hardcore and fetishes, because guess what? It's pretty fucking degrading. Do you think they put this shit on their Facebook, or their CV? And so I am legitimately asking what solution there is to getting porn models without a) paying them and; charging the viewers, or else perhaps an advertising third-party. The level of quality can vary from old crappy webcam shots to the quality you would find on some sites but some porn sites also have quality on the level of an old crappy webcam. Though the reality is that you do have individuals who are producing porn for free and outside of the capitalist model. I'm not debating if those individuals doing it will do it for long periods but simply that it does occur. Nobody is going to advertise their sexual lives out in the open so its not like that only applies to web models. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ayumi_Chan Posted August 31, 2012 Share Posted August 31, 2012 ^^^ This. Thank you for your post, primitive. I post my content on free forums because I like compliments. If I was selling my content, I don't know that I'd get as many. I post because I like seeing myself as sexy, and I like the community's support and validation. I am honestly afraid to sell my content because I don't want to be a porn star. I think that remembering that we "models" are real people, with real lives is important. You are not entitled to anything. Appreciate what we're sharing and don't be a douche bag. Well said. =) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ulysses Posted August 31, 2012 Share Posted August 31, 2012 Few points, if you allow me: 1) There's nothing wrong with 'capitalism' if it is fair. If the one buying pays what is asked and receives what is promised, then all is well and nobody is ripped off. As someone pointed out already, paysite porn is not a basic human need you have to have fulfilled in order to survive. It's a luxury you can enjoy if you want to spend your money on something like that. Nobody is going to die if they don't get their share of porn. 2) Paying money doesn't mean it has to turn into faceless, cold "industry" where it's all about just money and pics. It can be like that for many, but it doesn't have to be simply because money is involved. Many webmodels have started as 'amateurs', that is, posting their pics for free in web boards, hanging out with others etc. I guess everyone has their story, but at some point somebody has the idea that a) you could ask money for it and you could pay money for it. One way of thinking it can be: "I love the way you pose. If me and my buddies would pay you some money, you could devote more time to this thing you and we both seem to like and where you clearly have some talent." 3) It turns crappy when either customers start sharing paysite content for free in the net OR when the paysite delivers substandard quality or even fails to deliver it at all. That's when you get the feeling that someone is being ripped off. I've personally experienced case where there was missing content (content that, in my case, was instrumental in my decision to join) and the model didn't bother to do anything about it despite numerous requests. I've also seen a case where a model (or her site) advertises a set as a "measuring set" but they purposefully don't allow you to see the numbers (to see them, you need to buy another video). I've seen misleading advertisement, where a model posts a preview where she basically leads you to believe she has gained a ton of weight and reached her weigh-gain goal, but when you buy the vid, you find out she has gained only few pounds and is actually a bit disappointed herself. I've subscribed to a site where model poses videos where she clearly speaks to the viewer - too bad the vids are missing sound altogether. In any of these cases, customer service has been almost non-existent. It seems most sites/models are not at all prepared to handle situations where a customer is not satisfied with the content. If I feel I'm not getting what was promised, I tell them. Few times I have had refunds, but usually only after weeks and weeks of slow email correspondence. It doesn't help a bit that forums are heavily dominated by these naive "white knights" who think you are being a heartless bastard and uncaring of the model's "life situation" if you expect to be given what you paid for. Or assuming that you hate the model and harass her if you are not happy with the way her webmaster is taking care of the site. Dimensions paysite board in this sense is the worst there is. Of course, customers do crappy things as well, and mostly by illegally sharing the content you are supposed to pay for. But as noted already before, that's nothing new - the same thing goes with music, games, movies etc. And some guys really can be jerks concerning models. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Atlya Posted August 31, 2012 Share Posted August 31, 2012 1) There's nothing wrong with 'capitalism' if it is fair. Capitalism, fair? Ahahah... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ulysses Posted August 31, 2012 Share Posted August 31, 2012 Capitalism, fair? Ahahah... Yes. As in "I have something I can give/do to you, and you have some money I need. Do you want to trade?" Nothing inherently evil there. It's free economy. As long as the one who pays, pays what is due, and the one who provides what is promised - it's fair. If not, then something's wrong, but it's not the economic system you need to blame. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Atlya Posted August 31, 2012 Share Posted August 31, 2012 Yes. As in "I have something I can give/do to you, and you have some money I need. Do you want to trade?" Nothing inherently evil there. It's free economy. As long as the one who pays, pays what is due, and the one who provides what is promised - it's fair. If not, then something's wrong, but it's not the economic system you need to blame. I was speaking generally. In that context yeah it's faire. But I wouldn't call that capitalism (which is a flawed system to me), better speak of a "fair contract" then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kryptoroll Posted August 31, 2012 Share Posted August 31, 2012 This "wall of text" wasn't supposed to be an exposé on pay sites, and it wasn't supposed to be a commentary on morality or copyright. However, I do enjoy this debate. Think of my initial statements like don draper writing that essay on why he quit lucky strike on mad men. He wasn't quitting smoking, he was quitting one brand. I'm not saying I won't pay, cause lord knows I shell out the dough for this stuff, out of respect for time and effort put forth by models. If I had a model in front of me I would be at their kness bowed with a bowl of something fattening. I was merely sandbagging stuffers site because I find it substandard, hence the joy I get when that particular sites content gets leaked. I mentioned other Sites (BC, taylormade, c4s) to personally give stuffer the middle finger and tell him where i would be taking my business. Upon review I can see where I became the catalyst for the thread, that sounds cocky. Nonetheless, I support my earlier statements. To the guy who called me out of my wall of text. Fuck you. If you don't have anything to contribute to the conversation at hand stop trying to make yourself a successfull troll, and put your own two cents in. Dem's fightin' words. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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