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As being known around here as a dude with strong political feelings, I feel the need to speak up...I've had a lot of very harsh criticism towards (not?)our current President Donald J. Trump in the past.

This post isn't meant to be so much a "Nah, nah, I told you so!!!" as it is a commentary and warning about the territories we've breached.

Trump being a racist, Anti-Semite, or homophobic hater of the LGBT+ is a non-issue to me, because honestly, in my heart of hearts, I don't believe he has any true hatred towards ANY ethnic group or minority.

But why do I say this?  Why doesn't it make any difference right now whether or not he is a genuine bigot?

Well the answer is simple:  His actions(or shall I say lack thereof?), prove that he is full of shit when claiming to be literally as far from a Nazi as you can possibly get.

It took him a full two days to call the KKK and Neo-Nazis out by name when it came to labeling the clear-as-day perpetrators of the violent attacks and gruesome death in Virginia.

This was not an accident.  This was him sending the Ku Klux Klan and other white supremacists a not-so-subtle wink, as if to say "I still got your backs, guys...just hold on until 2020".

And now of course, they took his inaction as a sign of victory; a symbol of endorsement....and who in their position wouldn't?  Any previous POTUS would've come out INSTANTLY and viciously condemned true Nazism, but Trump had the nerve to initially decry violence on "both sides".  BOTH SIDES?!?!?!  Counter-protesting against literal NAZIS is worthy of condemnation? 

Well, did all the Anti-Nazi groups act civilly?  Of course not!  Antifa should, quite frankly, be ashamed of themselves for how they handled the situation. 

But even the worst of the counter-protesters pale miserably in comparison to the violent, criminal, and deadly actions put forth by the so-called "Alt-Right" and "White Nationalists", the ridiculous code-words they prefer to be called, so they won't be confused with TRUE racists.  I'm sorry, but carrying around giant flags with SWASTIKAS on them is fairly strong indicator.

There is no comparison whatsoever between a few nutty attendees who let their anger over actual Nazis get the better of them and, well.....the ACTUAL NAZIS.

David Duke has just openly praised Trump's "honesty"....still just one big coincidence?

A lot of people say that Trump's purported evilness is widely over-exaggerated....in reality it's the opposite, with those defenders just proving the anti-Trump brigade to be mostly correct.

And don't get me wrong...I do have to say "mostly" because there are a select few who DO indeed take things way too far.  Some apparently genuinely believe that Trump is just as bad or literally WORSE than Hitler.  And guess what?  Those people are fucking idiots, too!  It's a common misconception on curvage that I'm an ultra-leftist.  I'm not.  This may sound like a complete bullshit story, but the person in the entire WORLD I want dead more than anyone else is a self-described "far-left" guy living in Canada who is leading a harassment campaign of criminal activity against me over the Internet.  He has his own website about ME and another main website where his cringe-worthy politics are also on full display.  Just because I lean towards the left, it doesn't mean that I call myself an Anarchist who hates all Christians and thinks that everyone outside of staunch atheism(I'm a casual agnostic) deserves to DIE.  I can send you the links to this guy, if you still don't believe me...and so you can see what the epitome of a legit psychopath is, despite him of course hating Trump, too.  But his insane and unharnessed hatred of Trump only helps Trump, because it gives Trump and his supporters an easy scapegoat when condemning the entire left to show the world how crazy all of "us" "liberals" are.

But for every far-lefter lunatic bitching about how Adolf was a more decent human being than Donald, there's gotta be at least several dozen if not hundreds of morons saying Trump is no worse than any previous President and that the "libtarded" "snowflakes" just can't stand the fact that he said the word "pussy".

So yes, while of course I acknowledge that both sides have varying amounts of blame overall, in this particular case the situation couldn't possibly have been clearer cut.  It was so blatant, that Alex Jones had to sink to a new low(even for him) and claim that KKK on site were all Jewish actors because "they all looked like Howard Stern" without their hoods.

Enough is enough of this utter crap.

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While I utterly despite 45, and fear for the direction he is taking the country, and am scared shitless that there are actual nazis who are emboldened enough to run around on American streets without fear of reprisal, it's the apologists and "centrists" who scare me the most. 

In dramatic portrayals of nazi Germany (think movies like Sound of Music and Swing Kids), two types of nazis are shown. There are the obvious militant types that form our stereotypes of marching and burning books, etc. and there are the "fine upstanding citizens", the wolves in sheep's clothing. It is the existence of the fine upstanding nazis that gives the militant nazis legitimacy. 

I am sure that anybody who has had any social media exposure over the last four days can see that the fine upstanding nazis are in full force in 2017. They are the ones saying "But what about BLM"? "Antifa is just as bad." Basically parroting trump's rhetoric. They are the reason that david duke and richard spencer can hold rallies like Charlottesville in the first place. And they are just as important to oppose wherever they are encountered as the militant nazis are. 

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Trump is nutty, a piece of work, an asshole and someone I knew I shouldn't vote for. Sure, he's a bad guy, but he's literally killed fewer people than Venus Williams.

The mainstream press really needs to overhaul their view of important people - think shades of grey as opposed to staunch black-and-white. With that said, they're the ones who exacerbated the situation in Charlottesville. We've seen klan rallies before within my lifetime (I'm 30), and as an African American man who knows this, the event didn't shock me, sadly.  This is nothing new that started with or even ramped up with Trump. Neither a surprise were the organizers. Richard Spencer (who's arrival proves that punching Nazis really does nothing but make matters worse) and David Duke, the Ted McGinley of the race-baiting media. These are just two of Donald Trump's stalkers. Their behavior is eerily similar to the actions of John Hinckley. To put heat on Trump in the aftermath of this Charlottesville events is akin to putting blame on Jodie Foster for Reagan's near assassination (and let's not forget Jodie Foster is friends with a racist anti-semite named Mel Gibson).

Notice how they keep giving these guys a platform for their unchanging rhetoric of hate. I wish they gave that kind of exposure to plus size models. The media didn't stop pushing their racist faces into our homes during the election, they didn't stop after the election, they didn't even stop when they kept pushing the Russia lie about how this President (who, according to these same outlets, didn't want the job) cheated for the job by somehow pushing fake news on the internet. Now, it's gotten 3 people killed. And this President (a billionaire, with Russian ties, a party that controls 2/3 of the federal government and thousands of Nazis, neo-Confederates and other white supremacists) has to try to hide his hatred with soft language - despite the whole world knowing, of course - and slow responses that are.. still the truth? Honestly, it's simple logic: it takes 2 (sides) to fight.

I hate to say it, but if Trump were anywhere near a nazi, I'd be dead by now. but instead, 3 white people are dead. He's got the power to have a head start at killing Blacks and Browns and he even had that power even before he took office. So on that alone, I don't buy the "Trump is a nazi/fascist" argument either.

And another thing that shows the depravity of the media is how they concealed the way Heather Heyer looked. I'm not trying to exploit her in the ways women usually are here on the forums (which is why I'm not posting her pictures) and I'll try saying this as respectfully as possible, but Ms. Heyer exemplified the figure of the type of woman we find attractive; she was plus sized. Sadly, I found this out on Fat People Hate. Yeah, I know, it's bad enough that hate killed this woman, but now even in death hate has quickly targeted her.

And it's not the main concern about the entire series of events starting last weekend, but I asked myself "The media felt that her zaftig body was too shameful to show, but they felt it was okay to constantly put a mic and a camera in David Duke's face and reach Richard Spencer for comment? They'll broadcast hate, but hide a fat woman's body?!"

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3 hours ago, OscarWinner said:

Trump is nutty, a piece of work, an asshole and someone I knew I shouldn't vote for. Sure, he's a bad guy, but he's literally killed fewer people than Venus Williams.

Okay....going by that thought pattern, Ted Kennedy is worse than Hitler because his irresponsibility and inaction directly lead to the death of Mary Jo Kopechne.  The Führer, on the other hand, never pulled the trigger on anyone(except for maybe himself).

I'll respond to the rest of your post later....

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Folks, this is a size positive site - not a political forum.  But if we're going to discuss Charlottesville let's not overlook the attacks on the girl who was killed because among other things,  she was both single and fat - and by implication unattractive.  

And who is attacking her?  The alt right!

A website called the Daily Stormer (note the allusion to Storm Trooper) criticized the victim, Hesther Heyer, for her size according to the following story:

:Family and friends said that 32-year-old Heather Heyer was “dedicated to stand up to injustice,” Media Matters noted. But The Daily Stormer took a different tack in its coverage of her death. In a story posted on Sunday, the site’s founder, Andrew Anglin, wrote that she was an “overweight slob with no children” and “most people are glad [Heyer] is dead, as she is the definition of uselessness.”

In contrast Anglin praised the alleged attacker as a "hard core player" with a "cool demeanor." 

 

 

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7 hours ago, scissortooth said:

Sadly, no one figured out how to commit mass genocide of hateful fuckers and not become one in the process.

 

If no one had showed up to protest the men-children and women-children in white dresses and pointy hats, and those goofy schmucks who thinks loving Hitler is being pro-American, none of this shit would have happened.  Do we really need to be there in person, and point to someone carrying a gigantic swastika flag to announce to the world "HE'S WRONG!!!!!!!"

It gets us nowhere.  Had we left the idiots alone and maybe had small candid video from a nearby window of the pathetic, lonesome clown brigade marching by, searching for the Jewish kid from South Park.....we'd be in a much, much, MUCH better place.

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On 8/20/2017 at 10:35 PM, Observer10 said:

A website called the Daily Stormer (note the allusion to Storm Trooper) criticized the victim, Hesther Heyer, for her size according to the following story:

 

More likely an allusion to the nazi tabloid "Der Stürmer". 

You don't have Jewish jokes or history lessons where you come from?

On 8/17/2017 at 1:27 AM, Jabba Desilijic Tiure said:

A lot of people say that Trump's purported evilness is widely over-exaggerated....in reality it's the opposite, with those defenders just proving the anti-Trump brigade to be mostly correct.

True evil lies with the sociopaths running the corporations running the mass media, which profits from fear, anger and violence. Peace doesn't sell any ads, it's boring.  

They created a bogeyman, because nothing grows rating as much as fear and violence. They pick Spencer, who was basically a non-entity, and made him up to be some sort of proto-Hitler. At this they were (probably) helping Russians, who like nothing more than Americans rioting in their own cities. 

They conflated alt-right, which was an umbrella term coined by a jewish(!) scholar for what was basically nationalistic paleoconservatives who refuse to deny race, with national socialism.
Then they poured tons of 'sky is falling' rhetoric which encouraged violent responses against right-wingers, protests against election results, and refused to condemn antifa violence.

Are you any surprised that someone finally managed to die, after ten months of media campaign aimed at making things worse? The most surprising thing is antifa didn't kill anyone sooner - they had people cooperate and hit others over the head with steel bike locks, and one of them is facing jail for that now. 

You don't even realize how programmed you are. US media are absolute partisan garbage, whether left or right. 

 

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2 hours ago, An Optimist said:

More likely an allusion to the nazi tabloid "Der Stürmer".

LOL, "Nazi Tabloid"?  Isn't that just a tad redundant??  Just say Nazi publication....I only make this distinction with you because:

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You don't have Jewish jokes or history lessons where you come from?

Jewish jokes??  Where the fuck do they fit into the equation, in regards to the hit piece on Heyer??  And just because he didn't know of one vague Nazi reference, it doesn't mean he wasn't taught history.  In fact, he seems to have a better grip on it than you, because:

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True evil lies with the sociopaths running the corporations running the mass media,

I told myself I'd try to keep things civil, but you're just a fucking moron.  No other ways to put it.  The Nazis and KKK have their own news sites where they print disgusting and untrue things and habitually go after innocent people...for the most part they're irrelevant in 2017, but if a hate crime or major upset occurs because of their bitter hatred and anger, yes, of course the "mass media" is going to cover it, and yes, it's only inevitable for those said hate sites to pass off everything reported as "globalist lies".

I know you're going to call me naive and ignorant and blah, blah, blah, but the reputable news sources(no, not FOX) while are technically corporate entities have a lot of decent and hard-working folks at the helms who want to right wrongs and improve people's lives.  And that's exactly what they're doing for the most part.

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which profits from fear, anger and violence.

They can't control it when evil people do evil things.  They can however do their best to provide coverage to raise awareness, educate, and frequently catch suspects at large.  Which, again, they do.

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Peace doesn't sell any ads, it's boring.

You see all kinds of heartwarming and positive stories on the six o'clock and even the likes of dateline and 20/20.  In fact there's a major market for that these days, with all the nastiness that is going down.

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They created a bogeyman, because nothing grows rating as much as fear and violence. They pick Spencer, who was basically a non-entity, and made him up to be some sort of proto-Hitler.

Yes, we know.  You're a fucking idiot.  Let's just ignore this well-dressed, articulate, handsome, clean-cut man who has made a name for himself and was invited to speak on behalf of the guy who is now the most power person alive, where he literally gave a fucking Nazi salute...a gesture which coincided very nicely with what actually comes out of his mouth.  Perhaps Trump would've won the popular vote, instead of losing it by THREE MILLION votes, had we just let these white nationalist pieces of shit run rampant.

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At this they were (probably) helping Russians, who like nothing more than Americans rioting in their own cities.

 

You shouldn't be talking with Alex Jones' cock in your mouth.

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They conflated alt-right, which was an umbrella term coined by a jewish(!) scholar for what was basically nationalistic paleoconservatives who refuse to deny race, with national socialism.

You shouldn't be talking with your tongue up David Duke's shithole.

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 Then they poured tons of 'sky is falling' rhetoric which encouraged violent responses against right-wingers, protests against election results, and refused to condemn antifa violence.

It looks like you have Cheeto residue around your mouth.  I wonder why?  But no....typical dumbass right-wing rhetoric.  Demonizing the other side because of the few jackasses who incited rioting and perhaps provoked some non-peaceful protests, painting the entire "leftist" media(hence your repeated usage of the word "they") with the same negative brush.

Let me break your bullshit down for you:

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 Then they poured tons of 'sky is falling' rhetoric

They tried to warn us how detrimental a Trump administration would be and now they report how ridiculously dangerous and incompetent he has proven himself to be.  I guess they just felt threatened by the brilliance and genius of Donald J. Trump so they decided to take out their pitchforks, huh? 

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which encouraged violent responses against right-wingers

There was one isolated incident where a crazy fool who happened to have supported Sanders went after a right-winger.....if you think that was encouraged by, uh, "them", then you're even stupider than I thought.

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protests against election results

Maybe because the polls indicated until the very night of the election that Clinton had a surefire win?  Does that not even seem remotely suspicious to you, provided you have the ability to look at things objectively??  Besides, the buffoon known as Trump publicly stated that he'd "be willing to accept the results of the election.....IF I WIN".  And it's pretty obvious that he wished he could've said "WHEN" in the stead of "IF".  Had Trump lost, could you imagine the tantrums he and his followers would've thrown???  And then the slander campaign against Hillary that would've ensued??  It would've made any anti-Trump memes or night show monologues look like child's play....because they've shown what they are capable of in the past.

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and refused to condemn antifa violence.

I just did in my OP.  So am I not one of "them"?? 

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Are you any surprised that someone finally managed to die, after ten months of media campaign aimed at making things worse?

You are a disgusting person.  Why don't you just say: 

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It was Heather Heyer's primary goal in life to martyr herself at the hands of Neo-Nazis fueled by the FAKE NEWS at the age of 32.  It's wonderful for the FAKE NEWS that she finally accomplished such a thing.


They didn't want to make things worse.  And they DIDN'T.  They are making things better.  They are exposing what a putrid and despicable monster Donald J. Trump is.  At this point, his days are almost certainly numbered.  You can scream "lies, exaggerations, smears, character assassination!!!!!!" until you are blue in the face.  Won't change any of the verified facts.

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The most surprising thing is antifa didn't kill anyone sooner - they had people cooperate and hit others over the head with steel bike locks, and one of them is facing jail for that now. 

Because James Alex Fields Jr. was TOTALLY a card-carrying member of antifa, you fool.

Let's start a 24/7 new network with full coverage on how bad anyone who doesn't kiss the ass of Trump is.  Would that make you happy?  But seriously, how did you find this out??  I mean about the facing jail time due to bike lock violence?  Did the major sources gloss over it or completely ignore it??  A few knuckleheads on the left are insignificant compared to what the conservatives are doing, which is why you may not hear about certain things(except on certain websites that also idolize Hitler).  But the guy was caught, and is going to receive the punishments for his actions, k?

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You don't even realize how programmed you are. US media are absolute partisan garbage, whether left or right. 

Which is exactly why even the independent and non-partisan sources constantly talk of how horrible and dangerous Trump is, in terms of what he's doing to this country and the world...and how he needs to be stopped at all costs.

/drops mic

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On 8/26/2017 at 2:24 PM, Jabba Desilijic Tiure said:

The Nazis and KKK have their own news sites where they print disgusting and untrue things and habitually go after innocent people...f

They are completely irrelevant, number-wise and literally no one reads them.

As to hate crimes, there is probably more fake hate crimes than real ones. 

 

On 8/26/2017 at 2:24 PM, Jabba Desilijic Tiure said:

You shouldn't be talking with Alex Jones' cock in your mouth.

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Real choice way of proving you're fundamentally unserious and completely out of your depth. 

 

On 8/26/2017 at 2:24 PM, Jabba Desilijic Tiure said:

Yes, we know.  You're a fucking idiot.  Let's just ignore this well-dressed, articulate, handsome, clean-cut man who has made a name for himself and was invited to speak on behalf of the guy who is now the most power person alive, where he literally gave a fucking Nazi salute.

Trump never invited Spencer anywhere, and has disavowed the alt-right numerous times. Plus, I don't think Spencer gave a nazi salute there, some in the audience did. 

 

On 8/26/2017 at 2:24 PM, Jabba Desilijic Tiure said:

Because James Alex Fields Jr. was TOTALLY a card-carrying member of antifa, you fool.

 

Alex Fields Jr would have achieved literally nothing were police doing their jobs there. They weren't allowed or ordered to prevent violence there. Unclear why, but they weren't doing their job. 

 

On 8/26/2017 at 2:24 PM, Jabba Desilijic Tiure said:

have a lot of decent and hard-working folks at the helms who want to right wrongs and improve people's lives.

Rofl.

Do you even remember ten years back when left-wingers like you were supposed to be skeptical of giant corporations?

 

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5 hours ago, An Optimist said:

They are completely irrelevant, number-wise and literally no one reads them.

Pull up some reliable numbers and statistics and then I might entertain such a claim.

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As to hate crimes, there is probably more fake hate crimes than real ones. 

ikr?  Tucker Carlson sez so, so it must be true!

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Real choice way of proving you're fundamentally unserious and completely out of your depth. 

Cool story, bro....still watin' for a counter-argument, tho.

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Trump never invited Spencer anywhere,

Never said he did.

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and has disavowed the alt-right numerous times.

If he had, and had done so efficiently, the alt-right would fucking hate Trump right now....but he hasn't, so they don't.

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Plus, I don't think Spencer gave a nazi salute there, some in the audience did. 

Where?  Are you REALLY defending him by saying "So, since he didn't do the Nazi salute at that particular location...." 

And YOU just lectured ME on relevance????

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Alex Fields Jr would have achieved literally nothing were police doing their jobs there. They weren't allowed or ordered to prevent violence there. Unclear why, but they weren't doing their job. 

If we're going to resort to citing tangential culpability, then I'm technically responsible for 9/11. 

And it's pretty obvious why some of the authorities on the scene were a bit latent to intervene; pissed off Nazis wielding sub-machine guns?  If you're a patrol cop with a wife and kids who is trained to handle jaywalkers, you'd also be a tad hesitant.
 

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Rofl.

Do you even remember ten years back when left-wingers like you were supposed to be skeptical of giant corporations?

 

No, because it always depended on WHICH giant corporation....I don't generalize and judge an entire group of corporations(or, ahem, people), based on one broad and generalized label. :P

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Look, I don't know what universe you live in, but here are some facts

 

1) Trump is not an evil mastermind, he's a conceited dumbass whose only talent is self-promotion and possibly branding and whose biggest virtue is he isn't Hillary Clinton. He isn't even a good businessman, and right now it's obvious basically all his actions are dictated by the same set of people (career officials) who dictated Obama's. Sure, rhetoric differs, but he can't even curb immigration, or deport larger numbers. 

 

2) alt-right isn't all nazis, but it's very useful for media to pretend to. Someone ran numbers, and 15% of Republican supporters believe the same thing Bannon does.  The amount of actual nazis, who aren't gangsters in the US is thought to be ~4,000. Probably ~30,000 gangsters, but again, they don't seem to be taking part in the present festivities, and the 'nazi' thing for them is some sort of lifestyle, not politics.   If they were taking part, things would be different, for example, Aryan Brotherhood with ~<10,000 people  is responsible for 20-25% of murders in federal prison system.


 

4 hours ago, Jabba Desilijic Tiure said:

No, because it always depended on WHICH giant corporation....I don't generalize and judge an entire group of corporations(or, ahem, people), based on one broad and generalized label. :P

Corporations, unless they're privately held by some weirdo, care only about how much they can pay out to shareholders. That is, profit. Nothing else. 

 

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1 hour ago, An Optimist said:

@Jabba Desilijic Tiure

Look, I don't know what universe you live in, but here are some facts

I know what universe I live in, and it's the one that contains planet earth.  You should visit sometime.
 

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1) Trump is not an evil mastermind, he's a conceited dumbass whose only talent is self-promotion and possibly branding

You're probably correct, but what actually goes on inside Trump's brain is irrelevant.  What occurs around the world as a result of his incompetence and stupidity IS.
 

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and whose biggest virtue is he isn't Hillary Clinton.


To his idiotic supporters, yes.  To rest of the population, no.
 

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He isn't even a good businessman, and right now it's obvious basically all his actions are dictated by the same set of people (career officials) who dictated Obama's.

Give me some names, sources, and citations....he's surrounded himself with sycophant dipshits, something Obama tended not to do.
 

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Sure, rhetoric differs, but he can't even curb immigration, or deport larger numbers. 

Conservative news sources love to use that word: "rhetoric".....and make-believe that "locker room talk" is the only fundamental difference between Trump and Obama.

 

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2) alt-right isn't all nazis,

For some time now it's been at minimum 100% composed of people who don't take nearly strong enough action against Nazis, by not doing something very simple like, I don't know, disassociating themselves with the movement.

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but it's very useful for media to pretend to.

Not a matter of being "useful" and no "pretending" is done.  Nazi, Nazi sympathizer....you say potato, I say fuck Nazis.  I'm sure you'll now hyperlink some examples of where some leftist news organizations DID cross the line, since (again)you generalized by using the word "media", sans an specification.  But overall, I am correct.

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I don't even feel like getting started on why that survey, number, and fact has literally no bearing on having a President who refuses to disavow bona-fide Nazis, and therefore directly sending them a loud and clear message of partnership.
 

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The amount of actual nazis, who aren't gangsters in the US is thought to be ~4,000. Probably ~30,000 gangsters, but again, they don't seem to be taking part in the present festivities, and the 'nazi' thing for them is some sort of lifestyle, not politics.   If they were taking part, things would be different, for example, Aryan Brotherhood with ~<10,000 people  is responsible for 20-25% of murders in federal prison system.

So you're saying it could potentially be so much worse....well, if my parents were taller, I could qualify in the NBA!

One Heather Heyer incident is far more than enough, thank you very much!  And that goes without mentioning the mega-increase in Anti-Muslim incidents, and Anti-Semitic hate crimes since Trump took office.  I'm sure you'll still throw out everything to show me there's no correlation and that I'm just cuck/sheep/libtard/lemming for believing the fake news....and that's fine.  Ad hominem attacks are pretty much a compliment coming from people like you.
 

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Corporations, unless they're privately held by some weirdo, care only about how much they can pay out to shareholders. That is, profit. Nothing else. 

Again, I take things on a per-case basis.  Some are good, some are not.  Similar to sooo many other things in life.  -_-

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On 16/08/2017 at 11:05 PM, bluetech said:

While I utterly despite 45, and fear for the direction he is taking the country, and am scared shitless that there are actual nazis who are emboldened enough to run around on American streets without fear of reprisal, it's the apologists and "centrists" who scare me the most. 

In dramatic portrayals of nazi Germany (think movies like Sound of Music and Swing Kids), two types of nazis are shown. There are the obvious militant types that form our stereotypes of marching and burning books, etc. and there are the "fine upstanding citizens", the wolves in sheep's clothing. It is the existence of the fine upstanding nazis that gives the militant nazis legitimacy. 

I am sure that anybody who has had any social media exposure over the last four days can see that the fine upstanding nazis are in full force in 2017. They are the ones saying "But what about BLM"? "Antifa is just as bad." Basically parroting trump's rhetoric. They are the reason that david duke and richard spencer can hold rallies like Charlottesville in the first place. And they are just as important to oppose wherever they are encountered as the militant nazis are. 

I love your way of thought, finally somebody with humane common sense. Preach. #PassiveRacismIsTheWorstLethalIdeologyOnEarthEver

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On 19/08/2017 at 2:53 AM, OscarWinner said:

Trump is nutty, a piece of work, an asshole and someone I knew I shouldn't vote for. Sure, he's a bad guy, but he's literally killed fewer people than Venus Williams.

The mainstream press really needs to overhaul their view of important people - think shades of grey as opposed to staunch black-and-white. With that said, they're the ones who exacerbated the situation in Charlottesville. We've seen klan rallies before within my lifetime (I'm 30), and as an African American man who knows this, the event didn't shock me, sadly.  This is nothing new that started with or even ramped up with Trump. Neither a surprise were the organizers. Richard Spencer (who's arrival proves that punching Nazis really does nothing but make matters worse) and David Duke, the Ted McGinley of the race-baiting media. These are just two of Donald Trump's stalkers. Their behavior is eerily similar to the actions of John Hinckley. To put heat on Trump in the aftermath of this Charlottesville events is akin to putting blame on Jodie Foster for Reagan's near assassination (and let's not forget Jodie Foster is friends with a racist anti-semite named Mel Gibson).

Notice how they keep giving these guys a platform for their unchanging rhetoric of hate. I wish they gave that kind of exposure to plus size models. The media didn't stop pushing their racist faces into our homes during the election, they didn't stop after the election, they didn't even stop when they kept pushing the Russia lie about how this President (who, according to these same outlets, didn't want the job) cheated for the job by somehow pushing fake news on the internet. Now, it's gotten 3 people killed. And this President (a billionaire, with Russian ties, a party that controls 2/3 of the federal government and thousands of Nazis, neo-Confederates and other white supremacists) has to try to hide his hatred with soft language - despite the whole world knowing, of course - and slow responses that are.. still the truth? Honestly, it's simple logic: it takes 2 (sides) to fight.

I hate to say it, but if Trump were anywhere near a nazi, I'd be dead by now. but instead, 3 white people are dead. He's got the power to have a head start at killing Blacks and Browns and he even had that power even before he took office. So on that alone, I don't buy the "Trump is a nazi/fascist" argument either.

And another thing that shows the depravity of the media is how they concealed the way Heather Heyer looked. I'm not trying to exploit her in the ways women usually are here on the forums (which is why I'm not posting her pictures) and I'll try saying this as respectfully as possible, but Ms. Heyer exemplified the figure of the type of woman we find attractive; she was plus sized. Sadly, I found this out on Fat People Hate. Yeah, I know, it's bad enough that hate killed this woman, but now even in death hate has quickly targeted her.

And it's not the main concern about the entire series of events starting last weekend, but I asked myself "The media felt that her zaftig body was too shameful to show, but they felt it was okay to constantly put a mic and a camera in David Duke's face and reach Richard Spencer for comment? They'll broadcast hate, but hide a fat woman's body?!"

Preach, brother. Preach!

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On 8/19/2017 at 5:22 AM, Jabba Desilijic Tiure said:

I'll respond to the rest of your post later....

It's later. Much later, as I forgot to find this thread.
 

On 8/19/2017 at 5:22 AM, Jabba Desilijic Tiure said:

Okay....going by that thought pattern, Ted Kennedy is worse than Hitler because his irresponsibility and inaction directly lead to the death of Mary Jo Kopechne.  The Führer, on the other hand, never pulled the trigger on anyone(except for maybe himself).

Interesting. Would you wear that on a T-shirt? I mean, it can't be offensive if it's true.

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On 8/19/2017 at 2:53 AM, OscarWinner said:

Trump is nutty, a piece of work, an asshole and someone I knew I shouldn't vote for. Sure, he's a bad guy, but he's literally killed fewer people than Venus Williams.

The mainstream press really needs to overhaul their view of important people - think shades of grey as opposed to staunch black-and-white. With that said, they're the ones who exacerbated the situation in Charlottesville. We've seen klan rallies before within my lifetime (I'm 30), and as an African American man who knows this, the event didn't shock me, sadly.  This is nothing new that started with or even ramped up with Trump. Neither a surprise were the organizers. Richard Spencer (who's arrival proves that punching Nazis really does nothing but make matters worse) and David Duke, the Ted McGinley of the race-baiting media. These are just two of Donald Trump's stalkers. Their behavior is eerily similar to the actions of John Hinckley. To put heat on Trump in the aftermath of this Charlottesville events is akin to putting blame on Jodie Foster for Reagan's near assassination (and let's not forget Jodie Foster is friends with a racist anti-semite named Mel Gibson).

Notice how they keep giving these guys a platform for their unchanging rhetoric of hate. I wish they gave that kind of exposure to plus size models. The media didn't stop pushing their racist faces into our homes during the election, they didn't stop after the election, they didn't even stop when they kept pushing the Russia lie about how this President (who, according to these same outlets, didn't want the job) cheated for the job by somehow pushing fake news on the internet. Now, it's gotten 3 people killed. And this President (a billionaire, with Russian ties, a party that controls 2/3 of the federal government and thousands of Nazis, neo-Confederates and other white supremacists) has to try to hide his hatred with soft language - despite the whole world knowing, of course - and slow responses that are.. still the truth? Honestly, it's simple logic: it takes 2 (sides) to fight.

I hate to say it, but if Trump were anywhere near a nazi, I'd be dead by now. but instead, 3 white people are dead. He's got the power to have a head start at killing Blacks and Browns and he even had that power even before he took office. So on that alone, I don't buy the "Trump is a nazi/fascist" argument either.

And another thing that shows the depravity of the media is how they concealed the way Heather Heyer looked. I'm not trying to exploit her in the ways women usually are here on the forums (which is why I'm not posting her pictures) and I'll try saying this as respectfully as possible, but Ms. Heyer exemplified the figure of the type of woman we find attractive; she was plus sized. Sadly, I found this out on Fat People Hate. Yeah, I know, it's bad enough that hate killed this woman, but now even in death hate has quickly targeted her.

And it's not the main concern about the entire series of events starting last weekend, but I asked myself "The media felt that her zaftig body was too shameful to show, but they felt it was okay to constantly put a mic and a camera in David Duke's face and reach Richard Spencer for comment? They'll broadcast hate, but hide a fat woman's body?!"

Okay, let me try to condense this for you.  I honestly hate Trump.  A lot.  I think he is horrible.  However, I don't believe he hates Blacks.  Or Jews.  Or really any minority, be it racial, religious, or sexual.  But guess what?  IT DOESN'T MATTER.   Why do I say this?  Well, because I believe it boils down to sheer incompetence and ineptitude more than anything else.  Trump yearns for praise and appreciation from literally anyone who will give it to him.  When he saw the Klan and the multitude of alt-right websites and figureheads offering him their official endorsements, he got it in his mind that those creatures were the majority of his fan base, and starting doing everything he could to appease them.  It makes no difference if Trump wishes he could kill all Jews with the push of a button if he could get away with it.  His prime agenda is a self-serving one, and it's been that way since day one.  He simply lacks the brains to attain it.  He doesn't know any better when it comes to saying "great people on both sides" gives the Nazis his shining seal of approval, and if he does know any better, he just doesn't care.  And that makes him at bare minimum grossly unfit for the job, and at maximum(and more realistically) a monster of a human being.

While we're discussing the attribution of blame towards X, Y, or Z, it's easy to target the media and try to pinpoint a causal link between certain forms of press coverage and the ensuing catastrophic events.  But it's pretty much like blaming video games(or dare I say "bowling") for Columbine.  Just because certain factors are present and because those said factors may have lessened the outcome had they been absent, it doesn't mean they are at fault.  Nazi scum produces Nazi violence.  Plain and simple.

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