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What if being fat were illegal?


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Another post on here got me contemplating this issue and I wondered what people’s thoughts were on this. If there’s already been a discussion on this then my apologies but I couldn’t see it.

 

What if being fat becomes illegal?

 

Now, hang on and hold your typing fingers for a moment, this is a hypothetical but perhaps not as far fetched as you might initially think.

 

Here are some points to consider.

 

In the UK, despite the best efforts of our government so far we still have a National Health Service (that’s that evil socialised medicine you yanks hear about on Fox News). There are estimates that claim obesity costs the NHS billions, that’s disputable on so many levels, however it is a general consensus that all us fatties are costing more money year on year. Since being obese is considered a moral failing by those in charge rather than a health issue (similar to substance abuse in that regard) routine treatments are being denied to the obese on a regular basis now. This has lots of causes, mostly down to the government’s attempts to cripple the NHS, but it’s legitimate and accepted discrimination.

 

Going by the news it’s also acceptable in the UK for obesity to be used as a point of discrimination for the use of IVF and adoption in some cases.

 

There is also talk of making unemployed obese people lose weight to get their benefits. This probably has more to do with the efforts to make being unemployed more uncomfortable though.

 

Given these other cases of discrimination, surely it won’t be long before it’s used in other ways. As an example, say you are injured in a car accident. Your insurer may try to get out of their responsibilities by claiming that you only got as badly injured as you did because you’re so heavy or perhaps you would have had better reflexes if your hands and feet weren’t so blubbery. True there’s no logic there, but there isn’t much logic in the other forms of discrimination either.

 

Should there ever be a need for national service or a military draft in the future, it’s estimated that the majority of teens and young adults are ineligible for service for one health reason or another, the primary one being obesity. Granted a military draft like we saw in the past is unlikely but the numbers may not be there if that happens.

 

Also, I may need correcting on this issue but I’ve heard it’s legal for employers for fine and discriminate against people for being even slightly overweight in Japan.

 

I don’t think its a likely scenario, but I can envision a government, especially one like the disorganised and illogical toffs we have running things in the UK to decide that being obese is now against the law, punishable by fines and possibly forcing people into weight loss camps. Our interest sites like this and our pornography could be controlled and monitored in a similar way to how other illegal material is currently with large fines and the risk of imprisonment. It could become illegal to sell or purchase oversize clothes. The overweight could be banned from TV appearances and fat acceptance movements could be banned from distributing ideas or media.

 

Before you dismiss that as insane it’s worth remembering that all over the world we have a strong, vocal and extreme right wing which opposes a lot of things from gay rights to women’s rights to bringing back racial segregation and locking up the poor in workhouses. Unfortunately these are the people in the ears of government and I’m forced to hear their relentless nonsense in real life on a daily basis so my hopes for avoiding a dystopian dictatorship are dwindling day by day.

 

What would the defence be? Could we argue a point against it? I mean, we’d be talking about a totalitarian state of affairs that would have much deeper issues to deal with but we aren’t far from that anymore.

 

Thoughts? And congratulations for anyone who managed this whole post. It’s a slow day at work.

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Lol whenever I hear someone say "What if _____ became illegal?" I laugh a bit, you wanna know why? 

Because as humans on this earth we all have rights, Governments do not control them because Governments are made out of people and people cannot take the rights away from another person unless they give up their rights as well and even then the person losing their rights has a right to say no. 

So with that said, if you're doing something (Regardless of what it is) and it does not harm anyone else or infringe on their rights then it's okay. So therefore being fat is okay and if it became illegal and some Government came in to arrest you (Taking your freedoms away) that would be breaking human law correct? Good, so one of those human laws is having the right to defend yourself and that means having whatever is necessary to deal with any possible threat to your Life, Liberty and Property. 

That does not mean you can own nukes and other crazy crap that people like to make jokes about, that means you can own any sort of weapons, vehicles, etc to defend yourself from the threat that is coming at you directly. So as you can see clearly a nuke would harm more than the threat no matter how you use it right? So that's why you cannot own those. 

Guns, vehicles and explosives on the other hand can be used in such a manner that it does not hurt good people, so they are legal of course. 

Now if anyone want's to debate me on that I will as you to save your breath with these facts...

1.) I can buy a tank in almost any state in the USA right now and drive it, you can also buy Military jets if you have the right flying license etc. Yes the tanks main gun cannot work but that's only because of the Unconstitutional and illegal (It's illegal because for anything to be passed in the USA it first has to be Constitutional) 1934 NFA that got passed ironically around the same time Nazi Germany was banning gun ownership for Jewish citizens (And we can see how well defending yourself without guns worked there). 

2.) Semi Auto Rifles and Pistols are obviously legal because Full Auto Rifles are legal, by way of the Puckle gun. Built in the early 1700s the Puckle gun was a machine gun made before the Constitution or Second Amendment was even written so clearly they meant more than muskets. 

3.) Lastly for those people who say "Oh that's American Law that doesn't apply to me! Gar!" you're wrong. Because it's not Law knuckle head, it's a set of rights you have and you have a right to use them and you have a right not to use them because you're human. The Constitution is just paper, the paper is there because people are more likely to learn and listen to something on paper then if it's spoken to them. Those rights are given to you by whatever made us, if you wanna believe in god then cool, if you wanna believe in science awesome, crazy computer program? To each their own. But regardless of what made us we have a right to do things and no other human can make us lose those rights, that goes beyond borders, speech and color, it's for everyone. 

Also more rights can always be added just like how being gay is a right or trans or anything that doesn't harm anyone else or their rights, because in the end...those rights were already there. 
 

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2 hours ago, Tall_Cuddle_Bear said:

Lol whenever I hear someone say "What if _____ became illegal?" I laugh a bit, you wanna know why? 

Because as humans on this earth we all have rights, Governments do not control them because Governments are made out of people and people cannot take the rights away from another person unless they give up their rights as well and even then the person losing their rights has a right to say no. 

So with that said, if you're doing something (Regardless of what it is) and it does not harm anyone else or infringe on their rights then it's okay. So therefore being fat is okay and if it became illegal and some Government came in to arrest you (Taking your freedoms away) that would be breaking human law correct? Good, so one of those human laws is having the right to defend yourself and that means having whatever is necessary to deal with any possible threat to your Life, Liberty and Property. 

That does not mean you can own nukes and other crazy crap that people like to make jokes about, that means you can own any sort of weapons, vehicles, etc to defend yourself from the threat that is coming at you directly. So as you can see clearly a nuke would harm more than the threat no matter how you use it right? So that's why you cannot own those. 

Guns, vehicles and explosives on the other hand can be used in such a manner that it does not hurt good people, so they are legal of course. 

Now if anyone want's to debate me on that I will as you to save your breath with these facts...

1.) I can buy a tank in almost any state in the USA right now and drive it, you can also buy Military jets if you have the right flying license etc. Yes the tanks main gun cannot work but that's only because of the Unconstitutional and illegal (It's illegal because for anything to be passed in the USA it first has to be Constitutional) 1934 NFA that got passed ironically around the same time Nazi Germany was banning gun ownership for Jewish citizens (And we can see how well defending yourself without guns worked there). 

2.) Semi Auto Rifles and Pistols are obviously legal because Full Auto Rifles are legal, by way of the Puckle gun. Built in the early 1700s the Puckle gun was a machine gun made before the Constitution or Second Amendment was even written so clearly they meant more than muskets. 

3.) Lastly for those people who say "Oh that's American Law that doesn't apply to me! Gar!" you're wrong. Because it's not Law knuckle head, it's a set of rights you have and you have a right to use them and you have a right not to use them because you're human. The Constitution is just paper, the paper is there because people are more likely to learn and listen to something on paper then if it's spoken to them. Those rights are given to you by whatever made us, if you wanna believe in god then cool, if you wanna believe in science awesome, crazy computer program? To each their own. But regardless of what made us we have a right to do things and no other human can make us lose those rights, that goes beyond borders, speech and color, it's for everyone. 

Also more rights can always be added just like how being gay is a right or trans or anything that doesn't harm anyone else or their rights, because in the end...those rights were already there. 
 

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That may be true, but history tells a story of people giving up all sorts of rights because their leaders told them it was a good idea. It’s what fascism is about and I’ll agree it comes and goes but it still has its footholds.

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Oh I totally understand that, also if you look up some quotes from the founding fathers they mention plenty of times that people must fight for their rights, which makes sense because over the span of history you notice the trend of powerful and wealthy nations? They tend to become corrupt, the people get "lazy" (Meaning they easily give up their rights "For the greater good" or just let things happen because everything is fine at the moment) and you see them most of the time have a major rival. Regardless if that rival is good or bad countries that fall down that path tend to turn into evil countries or they just cease to exist and history forgets about them if they didn't make a big enough impact on earth. 


Also a trend you see in almost literally every country that declares something illegal and then throws people into prison in mass are countries that disarm int's citizens, Nazi Germany, Russia, China, Cuba, Cambodia, Guatemala, Turkey, Uganda, North Korea and the list goes on and on. 

Also what is ironic is that certain countries like China that used Children to push the gun control message are having their messaged used today all across the "Civilized" world, that along with Hitler himself saying "To Conquer a Nation, you must first disarm it's citizens" you would have thought we could stop trying to do it. 

What also confuses me is people want a solution to crime but they don't even take a look at the real facts instead of the "facts" the media puts out, Switzerland is one of countries with the lowest crime and that's because so many people own guns over there. Also the places in the USA that have the most crime are major cities that have strict gun control laws, the logic of "Let me call the police, maybe not even get a chance to and then wait 30min for a person with a gun to save me" Vs "Omg someone is breaking into my house -grabs gun- Hold it! Freeze! -bad guy runs away, get's shot or gives up-" makes no sense. 

Also for those so called countries where it "works" it's actually not true, stabbings go up, gun crime drops but doesn't end gun violence, gangs become more powerful and then there is the 100% chance of the Government arresting groups of people they deem "Mentally Unfit" or a "Danger to the public
or going off and killing thousands if not millions of it's own citizens. It might not happen instantly, it might not happen in 10 years or 100 but if you look at history it always happens. So with that said whenever disarmament and evil groups pop up it has to be stopped otherwise history repeats itself.

On a side note the colors mean nothing, there just to make it not so bland to read since it's a serious topic. 
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5 minutes ago, Jabba Desilijic Tiure said:

Because I had to....
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Is it funny because I don't support the gun grabbing Trump? :lol: 

People are so unaware of what's going on in the world that they still think it's a Left or a Right thing, Ha!  

I'm literally as middle as it gets in this world. 

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It's not far fetched...in a world where we can be forced to buy expensive light bulbs in order to save energy so we can pay more for less...why not bully people into expensive procedures and drugs and programs so we can pay more to eat less?

I tend to think that most of these programs "for our own good" are about the money.

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7 hours ago, Jabba Desilijic Tiure said:

He doesn't grab guns, he grabs....
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Riight because he hasn't already started supporting gun control, the NRA supports gun control too but what's funny is how gun grabbers just listen to the media on what to hate when actually the only gun group using their money for lobbying for the right to self defense is the GOA. The NRA uses rights like pawns and tools when they aren't, GOA just comes in with that hard stance on rights and never backs down while the NRA supports gun control because they wanna keep making money of donations. 

Please do some research before you talk to me, I'm smarter politically then 90% of Americans so it's really not fair. 

I will debate all day (Nicely of course since I'm not a savage) how LGBTQ+ rights are important, women's issues are important, transgender rights are important, weed should be legal and people can choose to be whoever they want. I will also debate how guns allow the people without power to defend themselves and how the Second Amendment wasn't made for hunting, it was made for situations just like this person described in the post.


If people started to just get rounded up and sent to prison for being fat let's just say I along with many many friends and people would not let that happen, ever. 

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4 hours ago, grateful said:

It's not far fetched...in a world where we can be forced to buy expensive light bulbs in order to save energy so we can pay more for less...why not bully people into expensive procedures and drugs and programs so we can pay more to eat less?

I tend to think that most of these programs "for our own good" are about the money.

Couldn't have said it better myself in terms of the "greater good" or just products in general being changed or made to basically scam people.

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Man, just another one of my usual word plays brought this out?  Okaaay.....
 

3 hours ago, Tall_Cuddle_Bear said:

Riight because he hasn't already started supporting gun control, the NRA supports gun control too but what's funny is how gun grabbers just listen to the media on what to hate when actually the only gun group using their money for lobbying for the right to self defense is the GOA. The NRA uses rights like pawns and tools when they aren't, GOA just comes in with that hard stance on rights and never backs down while the NRA supports gun control because they wanna keep making money of donations. 
 


All of these defenders of dirty corporations and players love resorting to the now-tired buzzphrase of 'only listening because the media tells you'.  Well, it ain't the media screaming at us telling us to defy the NRA 'just because' - numbers, statistics, records of sponsorship, donors, etc., give us a clear-as-can-be picture of the NRA being directly responsible for the frighteningly - and embarrassingly - high levels of gun violence in the USA, especially compared to other countries who have instated policies that the NRA vehemently opposes.

What you say the NRA 'supports gun control', that is only true of a good number of its members - but the decision makers and those at the top are receiving paychecks from the GUN MANUFACTURERS....whose livelihood relies on the sales of guns and ammo.

If an elderly woman purchases a pistol to fend herself 'just in case' because she lives in a bad neighborhood or a mentally deranged 19-year-old who has already shown all of the hallmark signs of a mass school shooter decides to pick up a few AR-15s and enough bullets to stock an armory.....it makes not a bit of difference;  money is money.

 

 

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Please do some research before you talk to me, I'm smarter politically then 90% of Americans so it's really not fair. 

 

Boasting about how smart you are and throwing out random, self-serving, non-quantifiable percentages that would only sound impressive to the dumbest of the dumb is surefire means of advertising a lack of substance in your policies and arguments.  Can't think of anyone else who does that.  :huh:
 

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I will debate all day (Nicely of course since I'm not a savage) how LGBTQ+ rights are important, women's issues are important, transgender rights are important, weed should be legal and people can choose to be whoever they want. I will also debate how guns allow the people without power to defend themselves and how the Second Amendment wasn't made for hunting, it was made for situations just like this person described in the post.

What post?  Could you give me the relevant excerpt, please?

The opponents of entities such as the NRA are constantly painted as irrational nutcases who only care about stripping 'them good Murican citizens of their 2nd amendment rights', i.e. ransacking everyone's house for anythings gun-related and forcibly confiscating them.

No. 

We're only about taking the most basic measures to prevent these extreme massacres from occurring; measures which have been proven to work beautifully in almost all other countries.

It's not rocket science.  It's not something that has weight on both sides.  It's simple, easy logic that WILL save countless lives, and COULD'VE saved countless lives already.  Those putting up a fuss about adopting progressive stances are doing so for the worst reasons conceivable. 

We live in a world where insane sociopaths aren't just the ones shooting up schools....but also the wealthy, well-dressed politicians and businessmen who all but physically hand these killers the guns.

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Jabba Desilijic Tiure I literally have answers to everything you just said and can also prove everything you just said is wrong. 

But there sadly is millions of lost souls such as yourself in this world that still believe the "Let me call the police, maybe not even get a chance to and then wait 30min for a person with a gun to save me" Vs "Omg someone is breaking into my house -grabs gun- Hold it! Freeze! -bad guy runs away, get's shot or gives up-

You decided to spam quote things I said and write a ton of nonsense, I honestly do not have time for that because my first post on this thread literally took all gun control and threw in in the garbage, literally you can dispel all gun control by just saying two things. Puckle gun and the Second Amendment wasn't made for hunting, so I'm not going to sit here for ages and debate with some person who things the Government and the people they listen to can do no wrong even though throughout history Governments turn on their own people 100% of the time. 


Also the idea that the NRA of all things (Even though it's for gun control and that's how we got the full auto ban in 86 along with like 10 other gun control "laws" in the past 100 years, because they literally helped support it and was even open about it) is the reason for all the gun crime is insane. 

Literally most of the gun crime in the entire USA is located in major cities and those major cites also have the harshest gun control laws in the country. 

I personally could care less if someone want's to say that us real Americans and defenders of rights for all repeat stuff, because it proves the point even more. The facts are so simple and so obvious that there is nothing we can do besides continue to repeat them over and over hoping the brainwashed can finally listen. I mean questioning things is normal and it also brings out the truth, but for some reason people still just believe everything their TV tells them. 

So this, is why we will be not talking anymore. Also feel free to keep on flapping because it's pointless, it's your responsibility to protect yourself because in the end whenever something bad happens you have to call a good guy with a gun to protect you and doing that and not having anything to defend yourself with is dangerous, obviously. 

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